
with Brian Marren, Greg Williams
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In this engaging episode of "The Human Behavior Podcast," hosts Brian Marren and Greg Williams tackle three diverse listener questions, weaving them into a fascinating discussion on human emotion, behavioral patterns, and personal security. From the origins of our feelings to the hidden psychology behind Disney's magic and the reliability of dollar store drug tests, Brian and Greg emphasize the critical difference between superficial information and genuine, actionable training in understanding and navigating the world.
The hosts begin by dismissing the efficacy of dollar store drug tests for serious situations, likening it to seeking "feel-good" answers rather than concrete solutions. This segues into a broader critique of relying on unverified online advice (like that found on LinkedIn) instead of proper training. They then delve into the evolutionary roots of emotions, explaining them as survival triggers that function through feedback loops and mimicry, driven by "mirror neurons." They highlight how emotions are "spread-loaded" across the brain to prevent overwhelm and are intrinsically linked to survival and learning.
Shifting to Disney, Brian and Greg reveal how Walt Disney masterfully leveraged these same human behavioral principles. Disney characters effectively convey emotion through exaggerated facial features (especially the eyes), and the use of anthropomorphism and pareidolia allows audiences to connect deeply with inanimate objects and animals. Disney's strategic use of color psychology (e.g., red and black for villains) and baby-like features in "cute" characters triggers innate human responses, cementing stories and characters in our memories.
Finally, addressing security at Disney, the hosts acknowledge Disney's world-class measures, including on-site emergency services, advanced tracking, and extensive checks. However, they stress that personal responsibility remains paramount. Visitors must cultivate situational awareness, have family emergency plans, and avoid presenting themselves as easy targets. The episode concludes by reiterating that whether dealing with emotions, media, or personal safety, true understanding and effective action stem from rigorous training and a deep grasp of human behavior pattern recognition and analysis, not quick fixes or unverified information.
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All right, Greg, so on today's show, we're going to, I'm going to go over a few of the letters, I guess, the questions from fans. So shout out to everyone who is reaching out to us. I appreciate that. Fans, actually, I do need to shout out to folks outside the US who we've been growing and populated with, everyone listening in from the UK, especially Ghana, Ghana specifically. So, the ones actually down in Australia, and then a few places in Europe, Ireland, and a few other countries as well. But they are actually reaching out and creating a little bit of buzz. And there are a few countries on that list that I've sent to my friends who are still in the intelligence community, "Hey, make sure is that a military unit listening to this?" I hope we got a letter from a Namibian Prince, you remember that one? "Your team the money." I'm still waiting. I sent him, I wired him five thousand dollars. He's supposed to wire my bank account. That's our Arcadia money. So we're hoping it goes somewhere, we really do.
So here's some of the questions we get, and we do get them from all over the place. So I'll let you pick which we want to answer today. Okay, question number one: "Where do emotions come from?" I thought that was a good one. Okay, two: "I'm going on vacation. How good is the security at Disney?" That's a standard one we get. "I'm going here, your house, what's the security like, whether it's a baseball game or something?" So that's a good one. And then three, we got another good one in here: "Do the dollar store drug test kits actually work?" That's great. As I said, that's great. I kept them pretty, we kept them pretty de-rated today.
But, let's go in your order. Let's do them all. Let's do them all and ratify them. But we'll start off right away that if you're forecasting the future of your employment on a dollar store drug kit, you've already answered your own question. I'm saying, Brian—
Yeah, that's kind of answered. That's like, so you're telling me, is that like when we're teaching in a place and someone comes up to me and says, "I want to know if my wife's cheating on me." I'm like, "Hey, I just met you five minutes ago. You don't know anything about me or anything, and that's what you come up with. I'm going to guess you already know the answer."
But Brian, you know why though? You and I both know why. Let's make sure our readers, watchers, listeners, whatever they're called, the fans, as you call it, turned so loosely. But the idea is this: let you create your own reality because what you want is you don't want us, you don't want Brian and I, you don't want Brian Shelly Martin and I, you don't want Arcadia. What you want is it to drop on your tongue that makes me feel better. So go on, buy a PEZ dispenser and soak it in bourbon or whatever. Go download the app that someone else sells for you, but it'll make you feel better. Have you heard of this LinkedIn thing? So, what grinds my gears today—I knew this is going to turn into this Peter Griffin. I still, I still haven't cracked the code on LinkedIn. Don't, don't understand it, but I've been a loyal member since like '97. And so today I'm going through, and LinkedIn in 1885, back when you wrote letters to them and people responded.
Yes, exactly. "Dear LinkedIn..."
So I'm sitting there looking at this and somebody goes, "Hey, all you—" and it'll be non-attribution because anybody's right. But it says on there, it says, "Hey, all you human behavior bubbas, all you..." and it, first of all, there's like five, "I'm the best in the world, come get some!" And the other three posers only do stuff that they write and put on a shelf. And then anybody else that says that they are, that's not Greg. So here what they do is this, they did two just recently over the long weekend here. One shows a guy getting stabbed by a guy that hands them flowers, and in one hand, while nobody's looking, he reaches and grabs a knife. And then the next one is people sitting out, it looks like Zona Rosa. The old videos from the attempted assassination: guys are sitting on plastic furniture having lunch between two cars on a city street, and the motorcycles are driving up and down before an assassination. And they go, "What do you know?"
First of all, if you're getting your advice from Dollar Tree or LinkedIn, reassess. Because LinkedIn is great for whatever it does, but that's not the place to do training. Second of all, if you're sitting on a Kansas City street in plastic furniture having a hoagie and you do think that you've got situational awareness, you're out of your mind. For yourself to give the time and distance. So this is what we'll do, Brian, we'll talk about your topics. We'll talk to these things here if the viewers at home agree to get themselves to training, because training changes behavior. Not a book—books are great. Not a webinar—webinars are wonderful. And that's some guy, not like webinars three, though. Again, you're going to the Dollar Tree. Don't.
Yeah, so no, and I get your point where I don't have in place for it. And people who understand what you're getting, and no, I thought he's watching Brian—sorry, is watching—and they're taking their advice from that site, or if you're saying, "Well, tourists do that. Slow time down, do you got to get back?" And you've got to have the ability to train because if you don't, you're going to get caught up in the moment. And that's "Bang!" Well, everybody at "Bang" has an equal chance, anybody.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of that stuff is just that, it'll come and go because it'll only last so long because people go, "Well, wait a minute, I can't. I'm not getting everything or this isn't really working what you're saying," because the difference between training and education—we've talked about that before.
Let's get back to the questions. You're right. I was always animated. "You know what grinds my gears?" Perfect! This is a perfect way to talk about this. But we, I think it's a perfect art with where do emotions come from, because we're both a little touched. So emotions are evolutionary triggers. That's where we're going to start today. And what does that mean to us? That means that they can be really, really good or they can be really, really bad. So emotions being an evolutionary trigger, example one: I run martial arts. Still teach it to select clientele for forty years. If you get snot-lockered and your eyes start to water, your brain doesn't know the difference, so it'll start making you sad because your brain only has certain triggers for certain emotions. And watery eyes mean—do you get what I'm saying—some distinct emotion. So all of a sudden, you'll find yourself going, "Should I stay or should I go?" in the emotional register. So that's why if you ever have to back somebody that's trying to choke you and you make their eyes water, they'll also feel sad about it. So that's a good thing. There's an emotion for every possible—
Right. And right, so that's a good point right there. I'll just interject because you're already bringing up kind of a, it's a feedback loop, right? So either I can be sad and my eyes will start to tear up, or if I start to tear up, I will start to feel sad. You can't control every aspect of that.
Exactly. Right. So think of it this way. The second one I want to give you, just so we can get a yin in here. Charlie and I are sitting in a restaurant. Yeah, surprise, surprise. Yeah, exactly. So we're outside of College Park, Georgia, Atlanta. I'm trying to think of that, the great restaurant. Hey, are you which, the barbecue place right there? Smelling like barbecue, it's absolutely incredible. So, and we're sitting there, and very few kids in the place, and I noticed it when we first walked in, that families don't eat free because it's pretty expensive. Do you get what I'm trying to say? But as we're looking around, I see these pods of children. So this kid to my right, he gets the big eyes, and you know, he's going to cry. So all of a sudden you start hearing him, and then he cries. When he cries, I see a little head pop up directly across me, and the little head is another little kid about the same age looking around. He makes eye contact with the kid that's crying. What do you think he did? Started crying. Because we mimic human behavior, we mimic human emotion. So if everybody's at a sad movie, the sad movie's getting sadder because every sad person, you're feeling that. It's like a yawn. It goes through the audience. I'm trying to say it's almost involuntary. It's almost impossible. I have to, I have to yawn right now because you said "yawn." Don't say "crap." Don't say it.
No, I think that that's a good point, then, too, with emotion and learning, right? So we learn through mimicking, just like kids learn to mimic behavior that they've experienced. So if you're a mom and a dad and you're doing a domestic in front of your kid and yelling and screaming, and that kid's amygdala isn't completely formed yet as a young one, what they're going to do is they're going to be petrified of that and either seek it out and do that with their next husband, wife, significant other, or every time that happens, they're going to run away and hide in the neighbor's dumpster.
You are in control of part of those building blocks, but emotions are two sides of the same coin. You have that self-reflection memory side, and then you have the involuntary stimulus reaction side. So when we're talking about getting hit in a snot-locker or seeing somebody yawn, we're talking about an involuntary reaction where the brain is saving calories and mimicking a behavior. Then when we're talking about the self-reflection or the memory side, we're talking about introspection. And all of a sudden, I think about little Tommy getting hit by the car, and I can't help but cry. Does that make sense? They're sides of that same process system in humans.
Okay. So, back to—
Yeah.
And that's kind of a further explanation of where emotions come from. And you said, "evolutionary trigger." So a lot of these are based on, it's how we learn to tie to survival, right? So those emotions are going to survival. Because we are, it's how we still have our brain, our limbic system is worried about our survival, right? So it's where those emotions kind of—
Right. So we learn certain ones, and I like keeping it. We always use the analogy of there's two sides to the coin, right? So although you have something, they all have two sides of the coin, and a purpose, and kind of where it came from, and why we have it, right? And we got into stuff, the last one we discussed, rage, right? There's two sides to that coin, meaning, yeah, it's terrible, it's awful, but the other side is, hey, that essential force is essential for survival. When that saber-toothed tiger jumps out, you need to be able to flip that switch and defend yourself. So—
So no, Brian, look how it could keep on that theory just for a second, and it's more than a theory, it's borne out in science. Look how the brain spread loads information, emotions located in a number of physical locations inside the brain: limbic system, cerebral cortex, different cortices. Why? It's spread-loaded so we're not accidentally overwhelmed by one or another trigger. So it's not going to always be smell, or smell and sight, or it's not going to be motion. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Light, motion, and edges. So chemicals in the brain influence emotions, right? But they can also be mimicked by external triggers. So the brain has spread-loaded it to a whole bunch of places, so there's not one central computer that's going to process anything. Why? One, too slow. Two, it may be easily overwhelmed when we're afraid, like, for example, or, let's say that we had too much to drink, and all of a sudden, part of our brain is the alcohol absorption, but the other part is still trying to do our self-defense. Does that make sense?
Right. And because it can come, it's all about, again, if we tie it to survival, different threats can come from different areas, meaning, yes, your brain has—
Right.
So it has to allow it. And then, the mimicry part is huge as well. And I think that's not—we gave the great story of a child. I think a lot of people have seen that before where a kid's crying, but that's how behavior works, right? So people have had that experience before they walked in the house and saw their loved one, or they were at the bar and they saw their buddy, and they looked over and they knew that they were immediately angry or upset, and then you started becoming upset like, "Hey, what's going on? What's happening?" That's purely, that's those, as we have one of our people that we used to work with, the former, the Major, who always liked to talk about mirror neurons, which are great because you have actual neurons in your brain that allow you to mirror or mimic another person's brain state, which is absolutely essential for learning. Absolutely. So, for learning, also, low calorie. Do you get what I'm trying to say? And open lines of communication.
You're right, Brian.
Yeah, communication. So, allows us to mirror that person's brain state, right? So I can go, "Oh, I understand that emotion. I'm in the key of my head." I will also start to feel that. If you're someone, it's like you're standing around and one person starts, starts taking off and running, and everyone starts running, and they're like, "What are you running for?" "I don't know, why are you running?"
Please run it, survive. Think about it this way. Okay, let's say that we're going to teach a martial arts class. And again, this is the LinkedIn, "Let me put a martial arts move on LinkedIn or sell a book." Remember Barney Fife studying karate by a book in The Andy Griffith Show and holding the book in one hand and trying to do that for Takashi in the other? So, but the idea here is, listen, if I was going to tell you a strategy that will work—situation: guy pulls a gun and if they don't turn this robbery into a homicide, whatever else—if you mimic the appropriate emotion, the emotion you don't want to do is, "Hey, I'm going to be the one to make you use that gun." That's probably how they emerged. You start there and he gives you no place to go. I'm trying to say, being condescending is an emotion. Do you get what I'm trying to say? There's an emotion for every response. But if you're like, "Man, anything you say, you're in charge." Okay, so I'm giving the hands, I'm giving the calm down signal, I'm giving the eyes up, "I'm alert and aware and take everything, man, it's only a property crime, you're good." Do you know what I'm saying? So the idea is that in certain circumstances, I would say a victim that is being bullied might have to go to the opposite end of the spectrum. What you're talking about is that, just between these, you can actually influence the behavior of another because you can jumpstart their limbic system.
Yeah. And then, that's that, you're getting up into a level of training and education there, of actually understanding emotions. But I think, and we're talking black belt now, like basic black, just to talk about where they come from. It's all predicated on somewhat of survival, and why a mother feels an attachment to their child. Immediately, I'm sorry, I can't find them, right? Why, there's all these different—they're not so much theory, all their theories, their ways to articulate, explain things, but of why, you see little kids, everyone has that feeling like, "Oh, look at the little baby." Well, that's for its survival. If we didn't have that, how many babies wouldn't have survived?
You're exactly right. So, you have oxytocin on board involuntarily, so mom can find baby, baby can find mom, specifically, baby with no eyes open can find mom's nipple and feed. Survival, plain and simple. Baby looks cute so we don't look and go, "Ah, a pot roast." We don't want to do that. Do you get what I'm saying? And what you just did, Brian, is you just leaped. You're whatever that snowman that leaped the broom in Frosty's [referring to the movie Frosty the Snowman] ejector, now we're married. But what you did is you just leaped into how Disney works. So let's just jump into that.
What Disney knows is if you could only dwell on one part of the body that's going to offer up immediately how a character feels, it's going to be their eyes, and it's going to be the part of their face between their eyes, nose, and mouth. Everything that happens right here is how humans learn what emotional registers that they're playing. "I made you," "I hurt your feelings," "I love you," and all of history's about it. So Disney didn't know, Disney cracked the code on a few things. Anthropomorphism. Anthropomorphism in Disney, that's where an animal, like a pig or a cow or a spider or something like that, takes on human characteristics, and it's a great way to tell a story. And storytelling, it's how humans learn. So if you could do that cave painting, that Disney cave painting with a horse or a bull, the sad little bull, that movie came out a little while ago, or some parrot—and people hate birds, but Disney hasn't figured that out. A movie about an owl that fails, a movie about a parrot, they—well, the idea is that at least or try and anthropomorphism works. And then pareidolia. Pareidolia is how you'd see a human face in everything. And everything, they do it everywhere. And why do they do that? Because then you involuntarily in your brain will assign a human characteristic to an object, to a lamp, to a broom, to the candelabra. And that's how you open yourself to accept the emotions. And all their stories are the same. All about good and evil. And they draw you in and make a zillion dollars.
And that's amazing because there's people that talk about all the different themes in Disney movies. You talk about good and evil and stuff, and it becomes, "Oh yeah, how do they become so popular?" A lot of people, why, why do we carry those memories with us through life about movies we saw when we were a little kid? And I think back down to that word. I mean, you can get into the different, like, people get into the theological or philosophical, but it's all, that's all true. These are all, it is, yes, it is education. These are all Christian stories pretty much. But the idea is, I think this is a good point, too, where we always say, it's—I was just talking to one of my friends about this—is that, you know, she had some questions about something she posted on Facebook, and I said, "Well, look, Walt Disney's been teaching you about human behavior your whole life, you just didn't realize it." So it starts there with just what you talked about was they, one, anthropomorphize everything, so they can make anything into a human. They will anything. And then, two, how do they do that? Well, you just talked about the eyes and the facial features, and why we are drawn to certain things. So there's certain characters and stuff, obviously, that really, really reflect and teach us about human behavior within all of these.
So, rewind, you take, just look at it. And folks, if you're a listener, you're watching, Brian and I disagree on everything. There's not a thing that we agree upon, and that's why we've been friends for so long. That's only really what, two guys who do it, because it also just, "Well, that sounds great, Greg." Those corporate yes-men, yes, "Yeah, I drive off this cliff at 140 miles an hour. Of course, that's a great idea." So I take umbrage with only one point that you said. You said, "These are Christian stories."
Okay, well, no, I meant, I know, we're fine. From your upbringing, yes. Get out there.
And they could link their stories back to, for example, does this poser that just redid Aladdin, the live-action parts of Aladdin and everything, and this brings up an ethical question from me to Disney—not to Walt Disney because he's in cryogenics—but to the Disney family: "Are you doing your best to represent society and baselines? Is there actually occurring a tree or you just this obligation to diversity?" Because, think about it, Aladdin, the story that they all did, and they said, "Well, we have to have characters that represent it." That's a Chinese story. And you're a little kid, wouldn't Aladdin be a Chinese kid? Stop. Stop that for a minute. Stop assigning stuff that doesn't belong.
I will give you a couple examples. For example, in psychology, there's a thing called the Peter Pan syndrome. And Peter Pan is the kid that doesn't grow up. And so that's a story from a book, but we assign it to Disney because nobody reads anymore. So Peter Pan has been done as a stage play, any other. We know all the trivial bits of it, but that jumped into psychology, and now it'll be there forever. Dopey, the character from the dwarfs. Dopey is named specifically for the drug dopamine. Episodic dopamine at the side of cortisol. Cortisol makes me poop so I can prepare to run. Dopamine makes me wavy gravy, happy, and I want to repeat the behavior. So that's what the big guys come from.
Yeah, yeah. So when I'm, you know, baking the ganja, which is legal in Colorado and California, so you don't have to have coma anymore, the idea is that that Dopey character drew exactly from that. And if you don't think that that happens, folks, you're not paying attention.
I'll give you an example, Brian, of color. If we take a look at all Disney villains, all Disney villains have red and black in their color scheme in some form, because they know how the brain responds to ROYGBIV. So red and white means safety, cleanliness, everything is safe. Red and yellow means, "Damn, I'm hungry." Look at your favorite food or your favorite restaurant: McDonald's, In-N-Out. "Hey, forget the burger, how about the In-N-Out, Chevy Chase." Great, great line. Sorry. I go for the cheese. Salacious. We're fired.
But think about it when we talk about characters that they show. If the character that you're looking at on any cartoon showing, by the way, just watched one last night, Sleep is Overrated, called Teen Titans Go. And on tonight, he had the "toxic toots" and the "atomic toots" where the kids were farting, and, you know, the brown eye. What does it lead to? Leads to the pink, pink eye. But the reason I was laughing about it is when they made their junior characters, remember how advertisement works, folks? We had Scooby-Doo, so then we got to make Scrappy-Doo. And then when Scrappy and Scooby are done, we got to make Baby Scooby-Doo. And what they've got to do is, we've got to take Scooby-Doo to space. And after all of those, then Scooby-Doo in the old folks' home. Why? It's just all in marketing. But anytime that you got big eyes, the baby chins, little short noses, and the wide faces, that makes them look baby-like, and right back to what Brian was saying, those big eyes, the big dilated pupils make us fall in love and we get stupid. So all of those aren't accidental, and Disney cracked the code on that a long time ago. So that gets back looking, and even yet, even to the term "dope" or "dopamine."
And it's all referred to on force. Why people call, "Oh, you smoking dope." That reflects a euphemism for drugs. Why? Because some of them, some of them mimic dopamine, some of them release dopamine in your body. But that's all a thing. You get the happy head, you get dopey, right? So—
Exactly. That's which goes, by the way, is now the jump into the third part of the core, the second part of the question. Again, back to the Dollar Tree test kit, which by the way, is one of the best five questions ever. Look, anytime that you have somebody that wants to display an emotion, emotions that are unusual, like anger or fear, trigger us just like somebody running in a mall. We don't know what it is. It's the part of our brain, the amygdala, are responding to those and saying this might be dangerous. And as Brian said, folks, before, you'll start running, you won't even know why you're running. So if you're a parent or if you're a cop or if you're working at school and you see somebody that's got bloodshot eyes, that's not enough because there's a lot of different drugs and alcohol and cocaine and marijuana that elicits that. I just call that Friday night. But you understand what I'm trying to say. There are different things that you can't, you have to drill in specifically to those.
So if you're talking about intoxication, alcohol intoxication is mimicked by inhalants intoxication. Jaycees and I were in a pursuit on Highway 6 in Colorado one day. We were doing a drug task force in the valley, and Jay picks up on a stolen ride, even though we were both in some of our cars. We got to have the lead car take it. But we're parallel and pursued safe speed, wait for the guy to bail, and he pulls right in front of Jay. And the guy has what looks like a mason jar with a plastic bag with silver paint spread into it. He was by Jay, he literally looks at Jay and says, "Just a minute, I intend on pulling over as soon as I get as high as I can." And ketones and silver and gold paint are the highest for inhalants.
But listen, watering red eyes, that form of intoxication is almost exactly alcohol. You've got the bloodshot eyes from marijuana intoxication. So don't be in a hurry to define a specific trait to one thing. It's a bandwidth of traits. So it could be an eye irritation that's caused by that, a bacterial infection, or it could be like you get out here, especially up in Orange County, and even out by me, you get the Santa Ana winds coming off the desert that blows that hot desert air in, and absolutely dries you out. I get red eyes, and I stay watering, I'm blowing my nose, and same thing, you get the pink eye, you gotta wash that pillowcase.
So both legal and illegal narcotics—heroin, morphine, fentanyl, hydrocodone—they're all constricting the pupils. The pupil is much better than just saying, "Hey, overall this means this." In high doses, those pinpoint pupils aren't going to respond to light. So you're here, a cop, and you're shining a light. So that's a good thing because the body can't come off of that. Amphetamines, Molly, MDMA, all that other stuff, you're also going to get that nystagmus, which is the involuntary eye movement. By the way, in Brian's, "Oh, you're so happy." You're doing it best on me right now. Right now. So you're going to get that horizontal gaze nystagmus, or the rapid quivering nystagmus, but that's something that's not mimicked by something else. Dilating the pupils, you're getting crack, coke, endorphins, adrenaline. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Now, all of a sudden, you're getting those. And if you look at like mescaline, LSD, any of your hallucinogenics, huge Disney pupils. And then when you look at heroin, it's going to be the exact opposite because the constriction comes because heroin is almost putting you to sleep. Do you understand what I'm saying? That the type of drug is going to be characterized by you coming down almost into this vegetative, comatose state.
So instead of putting your faith in this dollar store, and I don't want to get again, "thieves" and say, "Dude, I got to live there," do you get what I'm trying to say? Those are the places right by all the cleaning supplies that I can't afford at the normal stores. But the idea is instead of putting your faith in that talisman that's hanging there that, "Oh, it's marijuana, we found it," or some witch, it might work some of the time for some of the people. If you're a parent or a teacher, invest in the physiological stuff that the body can't hide. Do you get what I'm trying to say? PCP, ketamine, dextromethorphan, the cough suppressant stuff, all of those things have a specific visual stimuli range and how a person is going to speak and talk. So if you're going to invest in a TTP, invest in a TTP that doesn't change along all of society, that's going to be the same in Cambodia as in Canada, and it's going to be the same in California as it is in downtown Boston. To me, that's the type of stuff people should be investing in.
And yeah, and then we'll tie that back into actually both the first two questions. It's where emotions come from, and the whole Disney idea is that these are physiological reactions, right? So if I'm taking something or changing it, it's going to change my physiological reactions. So there's emotions that I get to, are going to change, and those are going to display differently based on if I have different substances. If I'm ingesting, or whatever, exactly. Like an emotion for every stimulus.
And just like a drug creates a stimulus, emotion has a range of responses that are likely. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Now we're talking about human behavior pattern recognition analysis, and we're talking about having a range of emotions that's likely in each one of these little alleys.
And you know, like we always say, you can't always go off of just one thing that you see, right? So you need, the same thing, the observation of someone who appears to be high on some type of drug could also be they have horrible, horrible allergies, and their eyes are red and watering.
Which would be a prescription drug, which could be a reaction to a drug they were legally given, do you know what I'm saying? Or something. And that brings me back to the "Where do emotions come from?" slash "Disney characters" slash your LinkedIn rant, which you shouldn't bash on LinkedIn. And I love LinkedIn. A good statement. But to bring it back to that, I always like to, because we give the example sometimes of, the Pinocchio example, and back to Walt Disney, spot-on. So the Pinocchio example is great because what happened when Pinocchio lied? His nose grew. Where does that come from? If Dopey has big eyes because of the dopamine, then why does Pinocchio's nose grow?
And we always bring it back to the physical, physiological response, right? You have certain geometric responses when you are trying to be deceptive. I think there'll be a better way versus just something. So deception cues, which again, go off of one even though some people like to, but deception cues. So the idea was, if you're feeling uncomfortable, someone's asking you questions you don't feel comfortable. And I put a generic like this, because it's not just someone asking you direct questions, whether you're lying, you might just not be comfortable answering these questions. Or somebody—
Exactly. It's our ability to get a little hot under the collar. Your hypothalamus will start to send your body warnings through heat.
Exactly. A little red. And then some people are more prone to this than others, but you get that histamine response. You have the little cilia, the little hair-like fibers in your nose, and anywhere up in your cheeks and in your ears will start to turn red. Well, that's just when you get embarrassed, too. If anyone's ever been embarrassed before, you felt your face get extremely red, or you got angry, you felt your face get red. And the more you feel it, what happens, Brian?
The worse it gets.
And well, that's the idea. If that has that response that some people feel where your nose will itch a little bit, and then you'll start to rub your nose. And that's kind of the idea of where Pinocchio comes from is more so, Brian, even more so physiologically, you scientifically checked, the human nose increases in volume and size when people don't tell the truth. The blood flows in there, the histamines are flowing, the ciliary movement. Talking about it right now is making it happen to me.
Exactly.
So, what's happening is Disney animators knew how to exaggerate that. They were coming out at the end of the month, I read, and I'm like that. No, I'm kidding. They're coming out at the end of the month with a new character, Disney character, called Methy McRaggsalot. And the idea is, whatever meth intoxication. Oh, it's on there, so Illuminati's going to write about it. You don't write about everything else. Yeah. So meth intoxication makes your eye movements tick 10 or 12 times faster than a normal human. So their new character will be doing a lot of these little turkey jerky motions, and the eyes will be dancing around. You're talking spot-on, Brian. And I'm trying to be funny here. What it is, is Disney's animators, and Walt Disney himself, would pick out these characteristics that were as old as time, and they would say, "We're going to make this one person epitomize this character." Do you get what I'm trying to say? And, so now that that character is an amalgam of all of these physiological and human emotions in this one character. And cartoonists all over the world picked up on that, and some fed Disney, liberally stole, like I do, brilliant ideas. You give it to you, you steal one than coming up with one on your own. But the idea that you're talking about is borne out through all of their characterizations. And why? Because then the person in the audience will eat the popcorn. You have to love it. You, and we cry with the character, and they fall in love with the character. And you can break it down in a few different molds.
I think that's another good thing. Yes, we are all our own unique individual, and we all feel for this amazing personality of all the experiences that we have, and we're all so different than everyone. Well, then why are there only seven dwarfs? Because you could probably fit everyone into one of those seven types of people.
Or there's Duvall played the doctor with me. Oh, no, but you're exactly right. But that's that little thing. That's why we're all, I like, back to the Disney stuff, where these characters come from, they're, well, they're based on these are different personality traits and different people that have, that have lived throughout history, and it repeats itself. Because we only have a narrow bandwidth that we operate in, right? So if we're normal humans, and we will go to, which we are not, I think generally, and the most general application of warm-blooded. And Collier's fascination with Sasquatch. So it's a friend of ours, who's also an advisory board member, and the Board of Directors has nominated him as Sergeant-at-Arms because he has the biggest arm, and he used to be a sergeant. He likes that. I can't think of the name of the show, Brian, I'm scrambling there. The big Mountain Monsters, Mountain Monsters. Oh, Movin' Now. So my request, no, no, Mountain Monsters. Watch it on one of the channels, and watch just one episode, and take that episode and hold it up against a knife. Names it earlier, Scooby-Doo. Now take Scooby-Doo and hold that episode up against, remember The Monkees? "Hey, hey, we're the Monkees." No one knows that show. But all people my age do. All of those have the same gag, the rule, and running around and chasing each other, and the guy who we want to pull his mask off, and it's Old Man McGregor. All of those things repeat themselves in Hollywood. They repeat themselves in novels and comic books. Why? You just mentioned it. There's anthropologically, emotionally, historically, there's only a certain amount of ideas that stimulate human emotion. So if they're not one of those, you're not going to look. You and I didn't attend a Mapplethorpe exhibit. That doesn't mean that didn't appeal to other people. A titillation that occurred was a narrow bandwidth and rare. It's still not on the top of the punch. But these love stories that go on and on and on, and they're overt. Like how many times is Hollywood going to release a new version of A Star Is Born? Understand what I'm trying to say? So when it's successful, what do we do, Brian?
We repeat it. I think that's the idea about it. It's appealing to a mass audience versus a smaller audience, right? That's the same stuff, like, my daughter hates anything that I want to watch or something. It just doesn't appeal to her. But every time one of these movies, or romantic comedies, like, "Oh, it's so good." I'm like, "How do you not, how can you sit here and watch the same exact emotion?"
I know.
You only [have] many human emotions. And that's, that's, that's absolutely true. But that, I think that's a good point of understanding where does emotion come from, and, you know, you can see it in, it manifests itself in every movie, every popular song, there's only food, every, or you said, there's only such, we only have such a narrow bandwidth of things that will appeal to humans. So you might have your own little thing, seven to nine to eleven specific emotions that we can all tie. Even those are emotions for everything that happens, these become the most popular and they're the most used. So if we were talking about a car engine, those are the sparks. Do you get what I'm saying? They're just, whether it's hitting on most often. So you're going to be able to see the damage.
And Brian, we can flip the script again and go up the black belt for HBPRNA, urban masking, social camouflage. What do they do? They cover those ranges of emotion because another human is going to seek me out. If the human sees me doing a predatory look or a mission focus, they're immediately going to know something's wrong. Just like if I'm running, just like if I look sad or afraid or ball up my fists, their brain is going to catch up much quicker than they do. Gift of time. And when you have to do is, you have to read and feel that. So what you want to do is you have to sometimes come out of those base emotions of love and its antithesis, hate. Do you get what I'm trying to say?
Right.
And you have to take a look and test that range, because once you test that range, then when you're on the binoculars, and you're on the clock at work, you can actually see humans and go, "This is what I'm likely seeing, and therefore I should see this range of emotions." If you don't, guess what? Maybe that person is trying to hide, you're getting set up for a robbery or kidnapping. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Somebody's abusing a kid in that home. That's the way that you find anomalies against a baseline. You understand the basis of human emotions and where they come from. You understand things that can influence emotions like we were just talking about the different drugs. And one thing that always stays the same is pupils. Pupils are regulated by light, so when other chemicals regulate them, and either pinpoint or look huge, okay, we have to pay attention because that's God, Buddha, Vishnu, Allah, he's yelling at us, "Pay attention to these changes in this human." Or guess what? Laser-focused back on yourself. "I'm seeing this. Why do I feel this way? Why am I flushed all of a sudden?" So those are all primitive warning signals in humans triggered by emotion.
And I think that's another good point there is to understand these are innate human emotions that most, from all the humans I've met, seem to experience them. I've yet to experience some of them, but I mimic them.
Well, but yeah, I'm always praying for your [inaudible]. So I think that's a good point to kind of, I guess, wrap up that, I forgot the last question, though.
Well, the last question was that, "Do the dollar store drug—"
No, no, no, no, no, we did Dollar Store, we did emotion. No, I [lost track], we covered, "How good is security at Disney?" Oh yeah, we talked about Disney but didn't talk about the question. So, here's, that's called a spiral, everyone, and it was not a very good one. That was mediocre. No, but we talked about this a long time with Shawn Clements, one of our guests, and we talked about it with Jeff Williams at one time. Not going on vacation, is what I'm talking about now. Let's do this, not that at large. Let's do it this way.
One, what are your obligations as a human going on vacation to Disney, and what are Disney's obligations? So this is what we do. Now we know that Disney is one of the best in the world because they have on-site emergency crews, have medical EMTs. The band that you're wearing on your wrist that you think is just to make sure you're paid, is going to dictate where you are in the park at any time, and help them locate pods of people. What's going on? There's videos of everything. Metal detectors, bag checks, undercover security guards. Ready for us now. Back in the old days, when you went through the parking garage, you'd take the tram, then you'd start, go to Disney. You're going to get a check, and probably a random secondary and a dog check before you ever get there. So, are they doing their job? Yes. Does that mean that you're immune to danger at Disney? Absolutely not.
So I would say to all our listeners, Brian, I would say to everybody that tunes in to us that it's your responsibility, and going right back to what we talked about pupils. If you're close enough to see a person's pupils, you can tell a whole lot about that person. And you can smell. So are you smelling urban masking? Are they using too much cologne or something to cover up that they're a funky street person that haven't washed in a long time, or that they've recently smoked marijuana, or they've drank alcohol on duty? Do you get what I'm trying to say? Those are saying interesting. You know, you and I go through a lot of Halls Mentholyptus. We could probably buy a wing on a library somewhere and donate it by all the money we've spent on Halls, and everybody that we've ever taught always has Halls, and they're spread-loaded around the room because we speak a lot. And when we go out and speak, we use a lot of Halls. You know, my biggest fear when we stop at the end of the day or we're on our way to work, is how many smells, the Halls and things we're covering, using it as a grade for alcohol or something, right? And that bothers me.
So let's take a step back from that. Clothes disheveled, seeing urine, feces, vomit on a person's clothing. Let's take a step back from that. Are the person's fists balled? Are they pumping up their chest? Are they leaning forward with their mouths open, enunciating every word? Let's take a step back from that. Or both of their back from that. Are their shoulders, head, eyes, and now their functional field a few oriented at me? So we can go, Brian, from zero, from this locus here, all the way back to as far as we can see, even aided or unaided observation. Or we can walk from there. And you say it all the time, "The best it smelled a big, big to small." We always work big to small. So I would say that before you were going on a vacation, you need to hire somebody to go through some of these things. Wait, and you're going, "I don't need to hire that. You just told me." Okay, so you're getting some for free. But the idea is that a trained security agent can take you through part test training, some realistic scenarios, can explain to you some of the stuff that you probably don't know, developing a plan that's specific. And that's usually what it comes down to because you answer a broad question: "Am I going on vacation, how good is security at Disney?" It's good. No security anywhere is perfect. They have their to-do. They have people, protocols, procedures in place to react to and handle a number of different situations, everything, a shooting to a natural disaster. They do. But if you don't know what that plan is, you're going to be behind the curve. And if you don't have your own with your family, you're definitely going to be behind the curve. I mean, something as simple as just staying together, and meeting points, and rally points, and communication, and nonverbal communication. Little words like, "Hey, you hear that? Page so-and-so," whatever your code word is, or, "one comes and gets you unless they say this phrase that only your family knows," then they know that's safe to go with that individual. All that little stuff. So, offset that bright-eyed yellow. Pat it and put a line right down the center. And everything you said is sage advice. And listeners, go back to whatever time this is in the tape and listen to this because Brian just gave you gems. And again, for free.
So put on this side over here how a terrorist thinks or a criminal thinks. One, there's anonymity in a large crowd. If I want to have seven sub-terror planning cycle steps, it is escaping exploitation. If I want to exploit an incident, I'm not going to exploit me killing one guy in an alley somewhere and not getting caught by police. Not much of a message there. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Even if I carve a pentagram, let's say, into the body. It's going to get some play, but it's going to die. If I blow up a bunch of people at a huge place where there's a bunch of people that can't run, then that one device or one bullet or one thing that I have in that crowd is probably going to be magnified more lethal. So as a parent, you're going, "Wow, I'm going to go to Disney." As a counter-terrorist subject matter expert, I'm going to go, "Yeah, high on the hooligans' list." And once those things happen, Brian, you know, they're like ripples in a pond, you can't avoid it. But on the other side of that, right across the net, Disney's probably one of the best in the world that's prepared for that. Gosh knows they've been targeted before. So for everything Brian said, folks, I would have that as part of your plan.
For example, your money. How you carry your money. Where you carry your money. If you flash your money, that should be a line. Kids, what am I going to do if I lose a kid? How long do I wait before finding the kid? Where do the kids go if the kid finally goes, "Holy crap, I'm lost"? Those are considerations that's over here. Now, if you didn't do your research online and figure out the place that you're going to has a policy and procedure and they're right for it. Same thing like a kid having an inhaler, they need Ventolin. Do you get what I'm trying to say? Where's your prescription for that? Where do you keep it? Where's your backup for that? If I'm in Pasco County, do you get what I'm trying to say? What's the place that handles my insurance? These are things. Do you remember the time coming through Frankfurt and you and I were headed for KSA [Kingdom of Saudi Arabia]? And there was a person that didn't exchange their money, and everything had to be in a certain specific currency. And they were going like, "No, man, you can't pay in US currency, we don't take that credit card." And that person was lost at that moment in time traveling. That person was beholden to us. And you and I were trying to scramble together enough money for them to get in. I don't even remember what the hell it was. You're going to stick out from that mistake, and everybody's going to go "tourist," which means potential victim. So there's parts that are your part, and there's parts that are society's part. Do you get what I'm saying?
And we've done other podcasts, people can look through on travel and safety and all that stuff, and different plans. We've broken that down before. So you can always go back and listen to that. But I think that's a, yeah, I mean, yes, they have good security, but that doesn't mean you're also accepting the fact that you're walking into a place that is a great spot for some type of attack, whether that be criminal activity, terrorist activity. So I think that's what it is, is that, we forget that sometimes. I know people always ask, like, "Hey, why do you do certain things?" Like, "Look, I always back into a parking spot if I can. Why? It's just easier to get out. It's safer. I'd rather back into a spot than back out into traffic." I don't park right out in front of where I'm going. It's not like I don't want people to know I'm there. If you cruise the block and you know what I drive, you're going to know I'm in there. It's not that. It's just, it's just if something chaotic happens and we have to leave, if I'm parked right in front of that place, I'm not going anywhere. I don't have an out. I can't get out of there with my vehicle.
Exactly.
Be a little bit more mobile on foot. Those kind of things are just small little examples of what you can build. We've done all that in prior podcasts. I just wanted to kind of somewhat stick to where we're at here. And I know that that can take us everywhere. So you're telling me this Dollar Store drug test that I'm going to take is not going to work?
What I'm telling you is just like training you get with your [inaudible]. I think that's a great way. And I think somebody else, Brian, never intended, did say that he backs in everywhere he goes because it's just easier. What he tried to tell you is that look, look at all the stuff, look at our body of work where we're talking about: one, easier to jump your car. Two, less likely to drive over your kids' head with an SUV. Three, puts your engine, the heaviest part, up in front so you can shield behind it to shoot, and it offers you cover before you can ram other cars out of the way in a zombie apocalypse. What we're saying is that there's certain experts in the field. And yes, a test from Dollar Tree will tell you whether tetrahydrocannabinol is on board or not. But I should probably, not well. What I'm trying to say is the people that are likely to buy one are going to be a parent or a teacher or an employer that's worried about an employee, an at-risk human. Or on the other side is a person that's going to try to fool the test. And they already said at the beginning if you're thinking that you're high and that you're at a Dollar Store and you got a choice, burrito drug test, burrito drug test. Because I gotta have the salty and the sweet. The idea is that you're not thinking of a level of certitude. There's not a great degree of certainty in those test results as compared to having urinalysis, a UA tested from, you know, a lab. Understand what I'm saying? So, I'm just saying that don't put your faith in totems. Put your faith in one, if you're working and you're not supposed to be smoking dope, don't smoke dope. Find a place that allows you to do that. I'm sure, hey, come to Colorado or California. There's probably a whole bunch of places that would be happy, that used to smoke the dope. So, it's the same thing. You're putting your faith in a tool, Brian. And it's not unlike buying a gun and thinking the gun is going to get you out of trouble, or buying a chemical aerosol spray and thinking, "Now I'm less likely to get carjacked." That makes sense?
I agree. And we could, we could continue on with that. I just had someone reach out and discuss some of the issues they have with some of the events they run because the area now is heavy and big on open carry. And I said that just makes a deal. Like, I'm a bad guy, so that makes it easier for me because now I can walk in with a gun, and no one's going to say anything. But that's a whole different [issue].
But you make it.
But the idea is, hey, don't rely on, "Hey, I've got my app on my phone, I'm good." "Hey, no, I bought the gun, I'm good." It's, well, it's the difference between training and just having an object on you. And I think that ties back to what you're getting at with the whole LinkedIn thing, right? I can sit down, read this, or watch the video. But if I'm not actually, if I'm not practicing what I'm learning, if I don't have someone to show the difference, then I'm not going to do it. I'm not going to improve my behavior if I don't have a mentor. Because if I'm not tested, how do I know that I've grasped the key concepts? Who's there to keep track of my KSAs [Knowledge, Skills, and Abilities], and know that I'm learning something?
So when we look at that, my thing is, think of, think of like the national threat registry. You know, they came and went, and we've got new ones all the time. Nobody pays attention to it at all. But let's say that they did, and there was some Defcon standard. Defcon standards come from people not knowing that they're about to get killed, named, gassed, or exploded. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? So, you waiting for that list or you thinking that list isn't up there and therefore unsafe is ridiculous. You are responsible largely for your own safety and security in our country and when you go abroad. So my answer to Disney is the same answer to Dollar Store and the same answer to LinkedIn: you get what you pay for. So if I'm taking advice from a person I've never met, over a slipper in a Dollar Tree—and I'm not bagging on those places, again, that's where I'm headed for lunch to get my Cheetos—so what I'm saying is that training is different than education. And training certainly is a standard that needs to be met before you go. You don't have to go through a workout before you get to Disney, but it sure would help. You're going to be doing a lot of walking. Are you going to have the right shoes? The consideration of wearing the right clothing at Disney and having the right electrolytes are as important as your physical security.
And then again, all I would drive people to the website to Arcadiakarate.com for the lessons learned. There's a great one on there about wearing the right footwear while flying. It's just these are the things that people don't consider that that's all you need. Like, things like that, you're already ahead of the power curve. You're ahead of the girl or a guy wearing sweatpants, that's a Juicy on them, and flip-flops like you're off the plane.
I know what they don't think, Brian. They don't think you're an expert MARSOC, secret squirrel, ninja, JSOC kind of guy with the Omega Team for the CIA. Just for the record, listeners, I'm none of those things, with the people at home. But I met a dude who knows a guy that I saw him on a plane. He was wearing Under Armour. But the idea is, Brian, that when you were operating OCONUS in a dangerous place, the same exact rules applied there. So if I was watching somebody wearing a dashiki, and everybody else in that crowd had sandals, but that one person was wearing running shoes, I know that those shoes were intended for running, and that was an anomaly to the baseline that had to be investigated. So if you're going to take HBPRNA and reverse the process, do you think somebody's going to size me up by how I'm dressed, by where I carry my wallet, by the shoes that I'm wearing when I'm at an event like that? I think absolutely. I think profiling and counter-profiling. Do you get what I'm trying to say? It's like escalation and then de-escalation. If you have the ability to escalate violence, then as a human, you have the ability and responsibility to de-escalate it. So all these things that we're talking about today, the great thing, I think, is you had three different questions, and we were able to go through and tie them together. And you even said, "Hey, listen, folks, a lot of this we discuss," and everything. Why? Because there's only a few life rules that you gotta learn to be safe in almost any environment.
That's the whole point, too, is that you then you narrow down to a few things and get really good at those. Then you're finally good. I think you're not. That's the whole point. It's the old mastering the basics, right? Everyone says that, but very few people live by that. So I will admit, I was the one who submitted the Dollar Store drug test, just so you know. Dollar Store and Dollar Tree, I've been fooled before. So, no, I'm saying, because remember the one, Dollar Tree is everything's a dollar. In our store, there are, there are dollars.
Yeah. But be careful because the drug test is, in fact—
Yeah.
And you go up there, and you only got a five spot on you, and you think you're walking out with five.
Exactly.
And you're still searching for that pair of shoes because you're going flying. All right, I think that's a good spot to end it on. So thanks everyone for tuning in, and don't forget that training changes behavior.