Left Of Greg 079 Lack Of Identity or Insider Threat

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Alright, Greg, so we'll go ahead and get started. Today's podcast, which we are also streaming live on Facebook for those of you listening to the recording, you can always follow me on Facebook. And when we do some of these, we do a livestream because there can sometimes be discussion, sometimes not, but people hop on. But today's topic, kind of the general overarching theme, is "Lack of Identity or Insider Threat." We'll get in and explain exactly what we mean by that. But before we get started, Greg, did you want to give some shout-outs or —?

Oh, first, a comment. I'm not used to going live, but I am used to live streaming my prostate. I'm getting a little older. Especially ours, yeah. It's my, I believe it's my niece—I don't know the relationship. I know who she is, it's just I don't know where that falls. She could be my cousin, my uncle. It's Bridget Williams' birthday, my brother Brian and his wife Lynn's daughter. And so, shout out to Bridge, happy birthday! And then for the folks that are following us, literally following us, Marren, that are following us around, a reminder that for the Fourth of July, we'll be appearing at the Colfax Motor Lodge in Denver, so they can see us there live as well. That's all I have. Oh, and a 10% discount if you're signed up.

So, just for everyone listening, we are recording this morning of Thursday, June 25th. But in recent news, this kid by the name of Ethan Melser, a U.S. soldier who just got arrested by the FBI and Army, did a big investigation. As would be considered what's called an "insider threat," he was working with some — we'll get into the groups — he was working with some neo-Nazi, fascist, all kinds of different ideals in their group, giving them locations, wanting to have an attack on his Army unit, or planning an attack on his own unit. And so we classify that as an insider threat. But before we get into that case and how this stuff works out, Greg, I kind of want to just take a couple minutes to define how we look at what an insider threat is, because that term gets used a lot. But it's an umbrella term, and actually a lot of things can fall under an insider threat. In fact, most of the things that are going to harm you, or potentially be a problem in your life, are generally going to fall under the category of an insider threat. We actually have far fewer external threats than we do internal threats. So let's start there, and maybe could you give your definition of what that would mean in general and we'll give some examples?

Yeah, I'll street it up, and then I want you to narrow in on exactly what you mean about how broad of focus this topic can be. First of all, if we were looking at it as a continuum, external threats are nebulous, but they're so far distant and so unlikely to occur with us. Well, an insider threat is that 5 and 25 (feet), is that close target that's right up on us. So a long time ago, when I did the W's and the H's—the who, what, when, where, why, and how—that "who" would be anybody with access. If a person has access to you, to your records, to your information, to your kids, it can be an insider threat. And the idea is that they'll have a special relationship because they're trusted in your infrastructure, they're trusted with their computers, or with your family. And that "what" would be anybody that is displaying, for example, the what could be a domestic-violence insider threat in the family. It could be a disgruntled employee, current or former. It could be somebody displaying out-of-character behavior, sudden behavior changes, destructive or suspicious behavior. When we were doing an airline one, one of the things we were trying to tell people is, listen, people don't normally walk around off-duty with their uniform on, and they don't double-badge common access cards. Those type of things. So those are the type of things that you should be looking for. Insider threat where? Anywhere that's an advantage.

Yeah.

Yeah, that we got the overall why: grievance, revenge, ideology, honor killing, terrorism, simple crime, money, drugs, human trafficking, human smuggling. And when I just don't like you, whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then when it can be planned, it can be spontaneous, or it can be something that's opportunistic. And you and I were talking just as you were clicking to start this live broadcast, Brian, is that this Melser was very opportunistic. He was a fart in a blender looking for a place to land. So those are the basic overarching terms.

Right, right. No, no, so that's the idea, is that an insider threat could be a lot of things. And like you just brought out the perfect point, is because a criminal or someone who wants to do you harm, or con you, or whatever, or be in an abusive relationship with you, whatever it is, right, they need access. And that's the thing, is that our inner circle—the people we know, or people we give access to—are the real threats. And it's kind of hard for us to see that sometimes, right? Because like, we even classify suicide as an insider threat. Now, that person is not a threat to others, they're a threat to themselves, but, you know, they're part of the community. So that, and the reason why we classify it in certain ways, because we've even got folks who are following along right now, even one person said, "Hey, you know, 93% of homicide victims know their attacker." I was forensics for LAPD. Like, yes, that's the... We keep looking up and out, right? We keep saying, "Hey, the threat's going to come up from out there," and there's political groups that are really good at getting people to think that way, too. But the idea is, it's—we've got to look down at it sometimes and look at what's around us. And, you know, it's like a two-way street, right? For me, if I'm looking to protect myself, I have to look at insider threats as a major issue. And then if you were that person, if you're the criminal, right, from their perspective, they have to do the same thing if they want a victim. Right? They have to have access to the victim. So I always like to try to show two sides of that coin. And so, you know, here's the issue with an insider threat, because those threats are so much more, in my opinion, to be... that there's so much more damaging to you and the community and your family. Because why? Because it came from inside, usually a trusted person. So think of the high school commercial, or molesting the kids, or the other one that pops in my head when I was reading the Melser one was the doctor for the girls U.S. women's gymnastics team, who was, like, sexually assaulting all these people. So that's a trusted person, you know, that then does harm. And so that effect is so much greater. That's why you do see a lot of issues where it's like, anytime a police officer does something that's outside of what they're supposed to do, it's national attention. Why? Because they're the ones that are supposed to be protecting us, not hurting us. So it's worse, right? When a criminal does it to some priest or a doctor.

Yeah, I was excited to say, "Yeah, it's the same thing."

So you're in a position of trust within the community, and that's why it's so much worse. So I just want to make sure that umbrella is big so everyone sees what the threat is. Really, it's an insider threat, right? So there's a bond, right? We have to... "I knew the person that assaulted me." I knew this. Like, it's that's where it's going to come from.

So we have a narrow scope of focus because we don't study our own history. So insider threats aren't new, and they're not going to go away, right? Judas Iscariot was the one that betrayed Jesus—that's an insider threat, led to the crucifixion. Julius's two best friends, Cassius and Brutus, were the ones that plotted and planned against him and ultimately killed him in front of the Senate with a bunch of other people. When we talk about Melser in the original article, Brian, maybe you could put that up later on the site so people know what we're talking about. The idea is, immediately when I read that, you thought of a different direction. I thought of William Kreutzer Jr., U.S. Army. He killed an officer and shot 18 other people back in the '90s at Fort Bragg. Great stage, he set it up, planned it. This isn't opportunistic like Melser's, this is a planned attack. And he said, "Hey, I'm going to show everybody what's going on." And showed up on the parade deck with a couple of different rifles, and decided that he was going to shoot up the parade deck on that day. So these type of attacks, Brian, the person doing them has an advantage, and it's an unfair advantage. It's like cheating at a game of cards. And the idea is, they could be spotted if you have an architecture in place to take a look at that. And it don't just say they're insider threats. And, hey, you know, when my wife got beat up, it was, you know, the person closer to her. Go that one step further, Brian, and say "up and out" and "down and in" is critically important. But there's a structure to how these attacks begin, how they mature, and then ultimately how they take place.

Okay, good. And that's a good point, because again, like, you know, this is about your school shooters, perfect example, right there, an insider threat. Where do they go? They go to their school. So a lot of people like, "Whoa, hey, what's, where does this come from?" Look, if I am going to lash out, whether I feel I was wronged, or I have mental health issues, or something happened, I have to do it someplace that I know, or I'm comfortable with, or understand. I'm not going to go to some far-off place that I've never been to and plan an attack. It has to be something that I know or understand. So, you know, that might differ whether your ideological intent is terrorism versus just, you know, crime. But yeah, but it's all, it's about the end state. So I think that's, that's a good kind of general background on how we look at an insider threat and everything that it can be classified under there. Right, right. And how most things are. And that's the issue I know we have a lot of times with different people or organizations that take a certain approach to this stuff where we say, well, one, you're "bang" thinking, and two, you're trying to give everyone this fear of, "You're out on the street and someone's going to attack you." And that's almost never going to happen, statistically speaking, almost never. Right? But the fact of someone you know, or have an affiliation with, whether that's a family member or someone like you just said, who has access to your credit card, you know what I mean, or if their server eight—yeah, whatever it is. Those are the places we need to be worried about, right? Those are the seams and gaps.

So let's jump into this case, Greg. And I mean, I guess I'll give a little bit of background about this kid, Ethan Melser, who was in the Army, was in contact with a number of, well, in contact with—we'll bring up the one group which is the, is it the O9A, or is that a zero?

Oh, I don't... Yeah. And it's from... it's from London. So, please, if you're going to have a terror and a hate group, make it something easy that we can look up and find. Don't make it so hard with all the squiggles. It's not a flipping password for your LinkedIn account.

Yeah, yeah. So anyway, he was affiliated with this group and then he was in contact with them, and then was attempting to give his military unit's location and planned some sort of attack. Again, I didn't get a chance to deep dive all the details, not that you...

You got... Why not? Not that you really need to.

So, and he, so the interesting thing is this kid, Melser, who was doing this, was taking his, I guess people call it self-radicalizing, right? Or getting information from, you know, and doing his research and supposedly in contact with ISIS or Muslim extremist groups. But also this group that he's in, who they believe in everything and nothing, or I don't know what their thing is, they're definitely anti-Semitic, they're Nazis, they like... they like, right, like paganism, they like satanic worship. So to me it's like a bunch of people with no identity all got together and said, "Whatever, everyone got a little vote. Well, can we all remember quinoa? We love them, we love that too!" I don't know, but kale... you know, these guys are mixed up like a fart in a blue kale, or, yeah, kale, like, what is it?

Yeah.

So, so anyway, the, and at the point I'm bringing up, I'm making light of it, it's not that it isn't serious, it's just it's a low level of organization, clearly a low level of... if you know why human behavior, why do you have...

No identity.

Alright. So normally groups have, especially when you're that fundamentalist view of whatever your beliefs are, I don't care what it is, right, whether that's a religious thing, it's a political thing, when you're that on that level with a root, this is what usually you generally have a clearly defined idea of who the enemy is. Right? These guys are all over the place, which is just like, it's a group identity comprised of people with no identity.

I'm begging for you to reach out to the Southern Poverty Law Center to protect us because we've just insulted all these hate groups with all their deep thinkers, and so they're going to be after us. And remember, that's the Colfax Motor Lodge, Fourth of July, in Denver. Kiss my ass, all of you. The idea is very simple, Brian. This kid was looking for a place to land. Somebody answered his email. He probably sent thousands of emails out to groups, including farmersonly.com. Yeah. Look, and Confederates looking for people that were like him. And he stumbles on the, "We hate unicorns, but we love steel wool. We're still ambivalent about kale." He stumbles on this group and goes, "This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to hatch this master plan." First of all, everybody's listening and everybody saw it. He's a mixed-up kid, and he's got a lot of hate, and he's got a lot of fascination for suicidal ideation and homicidal fascination that he wants to act out. So he starts acting it out and writing. You call it radicalization. It's the kid needed some... he would have been in a shitty gang in Chicago, right? He would have been part of, you know, the Goth counterculture, people that smoke on the loading dock, because he wanted an identity, Brian. That's what was missing. So he was searching for an identity, and this was opportunistic. It gave him an opportunity. So Kreutzer was planning on killing everybody and talked about it all the time. This kid is sort of suckered into it, going, "Hey, I don't have an identity. They'll provide me with one. And I really don't have any attention focused." But when I start talking about radical and extremism and killing people, guess what? All of a sudden, I've got a packed, a packed house of a captive audience. That's what the lure is, Brian. We are so fragile emotionally. Listen, if we bust out of an egg, that means life. If we bust into an egg, that means death. This kid has no idea which direction to go, and guess what? He gets served up this manic one on a website of extremism.

Yeah, and that's a good point of when you said, "looking for a place to land." This is how most people fall into these different extremist organizations, right? And I don't care where on the political or religious spectrum that is, right? Those extremists or very, very fundamentalist groups, you know, that's people looking for an identity. So the idea is, and Greg, correct me if I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, too—he could have fallen into any group, meaning, you know, whoever would have accepted him first. Meaning, he could have been a loyal minion for...

That's what I'm saying. If the local, you know, Christian outreach group had walked up to him and said, "Hey, we got this," it could have gone that direction, right?

Good.

Could have gone, "Mom and Dad." Could have gone, "Local church." Could have gone, "You know, the local Red Cross." Brian, he was searching for something. He felt empty. And guess what? When we're walking around with an empty cup, some stuff spills into it that we didn't intend. It has unintentional consequences as well.

Okay, so that's a big part. Anytime anyone gets into a group or situation where things start to escalate and, "Oh, this isn't exactly what I thought it was." We've all had that. It was me, you know. We all get that experience, of course, in the military, where you're like, "Oh, wow. Okay, this is real now. This is what I signed up for. Okay, now we're in it." But that can happen in these groups, too, now.

Because one thing, he's looking for a friendship, he's looking for people that think like him that will accept him. Awfully. And then I need to find the nest where similar birds are. That's me.

Birds of a feather. Yeah, so I think that's the, and remember, all humans do this. We all have, everyone, so everyone, especially by following along on Facebook Live, that is sending me requests to join a Facebook group, it's the same thing. Now, it's not as extreme, and you might not be planning to hurt or kill or do anything wrong or illegal. But the idea of that group identity is the same. So how does it then that this kid goes instead of, you know, just wanting to be a member of a group, which he is, because you join the Army, which is a similar thing, like we've been... gang analogy. A gang is a gang is a gang. Your clique, your set, your Facebook group, it's no different than a gang. Now your intent and what your behavior is, is different. But from a sociological and psychological standpoint, and it's the same thing, right? Big picture, right? So don't, everyone listening, don't confuse saying, "Ones, you know, they're the exact same thing." No, some of it's illegal or immoral or unethical, and there's different changes there, but the idea of belonging, of course, is identical. The fan chemistry is identical. So I will also say that some of these people in the group, because there's there's dynamics in any group, and it can be broken down, right? So look at even just, let's say, the entire just United States, right? Everyone falls in a certain area politically. But also, meaning what you're willing to do and participate. Some people are just like, "Yeah, man, look, I vote when it's time to vote, and that's it. I don't get involved in the discussion." Some people are, you know, very political. Some people are willing to go out and protest and join and help. Some people are willing to knock door-to-door, right? So we all fall in there somewhere. So even though I might be in the same group as you, Greg, you might be more willing to carry out something. So what is it about how certain people in those groups that are the ones who are actually, you know, we call it, "Some people want their say, some people want their way." How do they actually get him to do it? So how does he become the one that's going to actually act on this rather than we're all going to get on the message boards and type?

So, so let's do an LCD, let's do a lowest common denominator way of looking at it. Brian, you're a structure guy, so am I. Let's take a look at a comparative. So you and I are both fathers, okay? But we're different kind of fathers. I'm the hands-off father. I've got a daughter in Alabama that's a doctor that I rarely talk to, and I rarely see because I screwed up that relationship like it was free. I've got a son that's got 90 jobs, 89 of them to make sure he stays away from me. You know, that's that's day, and I run every morning, what am I running from? Brian, you however, are the perfect parent. You're the father that's a member of the local T-ball league. You are going to make sure that your daughter's going to be an Eagle Scout. You're working towards all these things in your community. So even at that level, Brian, where it's a loose band and only by definition were both—we both happen to be fathers—there are distinctions, right? We'll fall into one of those camps, and some people won't. And here you've got a kid that either because he was lazy, or because he was searching, or because he was bullied, or because he felt different, that was out looking for structure. He was looking for organization. He didn't have any. He had a low level of sophistication, but a low level of organization. And that makes you Johnny the garden slug. You don't get anywhere in life, right? You're in neutral, and you're flooring it in the car and wondering why you're burning up all the fuel, but you're not getting anywhere. So your brain is still functioning with the same onboard hardwiring that it was designed to stay alive when we're in a rapidly evolving, ambiguous environment as zygotes back thousands of years ago. And what happened is, back then, we interacted with such a small amount of people, and survival was so important that each of us had a critical role. Yeah, he didn't, he doesn't have a role, he doesn't have an identity. So he needs to make one, or needs to find one. And Brian, we're both surprised when we travel a lot and we see somebody with extreme hair or extreme makeup or something, and they're saying, "Well, I'm just trying to be different. I'm trying to differentiate myself. I'm trying to have an identity." Just like all the other people that do that, Brian. We're not sure, we're fragile little egos just like this kid. So he sends out some messages. His first messages were, "Why don't you love me?" And you know how the internet is just horrible, they pour it on you, "You blow, you suck," you do that. But somebody, somebody, Brian, reached out. And maybe it was a pedophile, maybe it was a terrorist, maybe it was just another lonely kid. Do you get what I'm trying to say? And they reached out, and they answered him. And the minute they did that, all of a sudden, the pleasure centers in his brain, the fMRI (functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging) is kicking with all these Christmas lights flashing, and that kid was hooked. And all it took is a little grooming, Brian. "Hey, you matter. Look how much more you could matter if you were part of our group. And I'll tell you what, you wear these boots and this hat, and you punch somebody, then you're even more important." Brian, that stuff is flipping addictive, it's like opiates. It's like opium. It's like heroin. People dig that, and they need that. They need an idea. We all need an ego. And so he had to create one.

So it's related that just because we have some great comments from people following along on Facebook Live talking about, "Hello everybody, different neuro-criminology." You know, there's, so there's biology involved in this, right? So just a clear, so absolutely, right. So some people are more biologically prone to this than others, right? So, so you're born with a certain, like I always say, you know, you're born somewhere on this scale, and that enables you, right? So, so, and even though you're the Kreutzer guy, yeah, everybody, you know, that evolution's, Marren's, that monkey back there on the left. I'm a little, I'm like one or two steps farther along now. I may be one, I don't know, at least up a little bit more upright. But the knuckles still drag, they're still on the ground. But, you know, someone mentioned, you know, they need an environmental trigger in a lot of situations, especially if they have the genetic predispositions on these tendencies. And that's exactly what we're talking about. So if you're already biologically prone to it, that environmental trigger is just what Greg said, there's always something that goes, "Oh, you know what? And that's enough." The, it could be something simple, "fella," and that person said, "No, because they don't want a date with me because I'm lonely."

Yeah, okay. Re-name it afterwards, we made it an inside. I'm trying to say, "Yes, you think that, you know, you're in the moment." Very few people know that. So like, if you're lonely, or if you're poor. I was like, I think it was like their teen, and we're doing the Camp Dearborn thing, my dad making the pancakes on the carburetor. And I looked around and I go, "Holy, we're poor!" I did not know it up until that point, Brian. So listen, this poor kid and a lot of other poor kids, a lot of people in society. Yes, there's some evil people, but the environmental trigger can be injustice. Yes, okay, I'll agree with that. But it could be loneliness, it could be boredom. Brian, there are people that have gone out and committed a homicide because they were bored. And that's why, let's see, some great scholars once wrote that, "An idle mind is that... No, idle hands are the devil's workshop." Brian, this is, this is known stuff. So as much as we try to politicize it, as much as we try to ramp it up and say, "You only have to be a PhD to understand it," it's no, you know, it's anytime you feel disenfranchised, anytime you feel left out, you're willing to take that chance to be part of a group.

No, and then like you said, a lot of this, the, it comes afterwards when we then go down the rabbit hole of what's his motive and the ideology behind it and "this is a growing threat," and then "this we need to handle." It's just there's there's certain groups of people that are, or certain people that are. And guess what? Because of homophily and isopraxis and social mimicry, they're birds of a feather flock together, right? Are going to find other, right, good people are going to find other good people, right? So your website, for, I'm sure for some of that, but it's nothing to do with that website or the graphics. Do you know how much different? But yeah, I just want to give it that classification, right? And we're, we're, I think, thrown off some of the confusion is, don't look at it as this, "Oh, we need to get rid of..." This is why I was making fun of the group he's trying to... It's a perfect example. It's, "Hey, we're, we like Nazism, but, but, you know, ISIS is cool with us too. We definitely don't like Jewish people, but paganism is cool. We're gonna have like a rape squad." You're like, "You are, you know, there's no set, there's no ethos, there's a central theme here that you're working on, which means you're putting almost zero thought into what your ideology is." And now we're gonna say, "Hey, these get the appeal to that." That's, that's it, is "anything goes." And now someone's going to come in afterward to say, "Hey, this is a really dangerous group." No, they're, they're a bunch of idiots who are dangerous people who happen to be in the same room at the same time.

Yeah, and so now we come up with this, "Hey, let's come up with this model to analyze it and pass legislation to do this, and we're going to, hey, we're here, you can name this and do a whole dissertation on this." And then next week it's going to be a different group, and the week after that it's going to be a different group, right? But all of those people and all those groups are, to me, I look at them as they're the same person, right? If, meaning it, you have the same needs, which we all do, but they're taking it to a different level. "Oh, I don't fit in anywhere else, but these people will accept me." Alright, and that can turn, I'm convinced, with a lot of them, like the example I brought up with him was, you know, if it wasn't this group, if he had been approached earlier in life, or whatever, by local community outreach from a church, yeah, he would have been then the devoted member of that church. And his whole Facebook feed would have been all about everything about Jesus and that, you know, meaning it's, it's the same thing. You can go either way. So, and someone kind of brought it up here, and that's kind of what I was getting at, sirs, is, "How do we know the difference between someone who's just looking to fit in?"

Yeah, we're talking, that's everyone.

And the person who's, "I'm going to actually carry out and do this." Because again, each case is so dependent, like this kid, I don't think he partially even almost knew what he was getting himself into. I mean, he did as a conscious adult, legally of age, and understanding. But, meaning, I think he went so far down a rabbit hole to a point where now he has to do something. And I don't know those, but it could have been, it could have been a simple, Brian, that, that again, he was looking for a place to land, and he really doesn't value life very much. So he's kind of pseudo-suicidal. So he joins the Army hoping to get deployed, hoping that he gets killed, and it's not happening fast enough. So I got these other stragglers, I'm going to link up with their group, and maybe they'll attack me, and that's how I'll be remembered. Don't get into what their reasoning is. Get into what their pre-event indications of violence look like. What, what do, what does a damaged egg look like compared to all the other eggs that are coming down the line? Or what does that, that damaged snowflake, how does it fly different than all the other snowflakes that I'm going to make this gosh darn snowman out of? And the problem is, as humans, we have been pre-conditioned not to see it. Now, you've got to remember that our environmental triggers, as one of the callers mentioned, which is spot-on, our environmental triggers are always self-preservation and survival-oriented, right? So the problem is, when we say, "If you see something, say something," nobody tells us what it looks like. We don't have a comparison of flash, and therefore the threshold is so low that our brain chemistry doesn't pick up on it. We don't pick up on things that might be a threat. Why do you think it takes us days in a classroom to condition the brain to go, "Holy crap, there's a wall?" Brian, it takes us time. Do you know, people go, "Well, why was it 22 days?" It takes 21 days to get your brain into a habit of doing something. So when we were training those, those people for a pre-deployment, Brian, it took that long. It took that long to condition their brain to see anomalous behavior. And still to this day, and you know it because we wrote a lessons learned on it, there's somebody getting stabbed to death in a parking garage, and people continue to walk by. Why? Because their brain chemistry is going, "Well, this is an anomaly, but somebody else must be just in the wings ready to take a stand here." You know, and they just keep walking and chopping. So you're assuming that your hardwiring is just like everybody else's on the planet, and you're going to be the guy that comes in or the female that comes in and saves it. It's not so, Brian. We're a bunch of fragile egos bouncing around looking for adhesion to a group or to a set of people.

Yeah, and that goes into, you know, where we we get really good at analysis after the fact, and it just talks on the news. And then we go down the rabbit hole trying to explain why this occurred and why they did this and all the missing pieces, right? But we're the ones, and it's not that there's something wrong with that, I get it. That's someone's, like any science or any explanation, it's you're trying to explain a phenomenon. You're trying to explain something that a typical person, or normal, when we use it in a clinical term, understand. So you have to relate it and go, "Well, this happened, and then this occurred, then this occurred." We're going, "That's great for analysis purposes, and there's like seven people who need to know that stuff and get really good at it, right? And they need to tell us what what those things are for dealing with it." I think from a societal standpoint, know how to look at it, but we're about, "Hey, this is how you understand pre-event indicators." All humans are the same, that's why I brought up there's some difference in the Facebook group and these were texting the behavior and the reward. "I got a brave bird poster!" That's, yeah, that's great. Else out there that would put it. I think that there's a better job to go, "Alright, well, how do I, how do I engage in behaviors that are similar to this individual and then go, 'Okay, I can see it now.' I'm not sitting here in my group, I'm talking about sewing or the book club or whatever, and they're talking about hate, death, fear." That's the idea, is what is it? Examine it, you'd... the intent in your group is to create a community of like-minded individuals who want to talk about something that you're interested in. Right here, just happened to be with my squad, and they're doing the same thing. They just, it's, it's about, you know, murder, death, kill.

If somebody bringing in the coffee, Brian, where they have the local meetings? They have the thing, "Okay, everybody look under your chair, who's got the .290? Yeah, you get the Steyr on with the day. Don't forget we, we have our, we have our fundraising pancake breakfast tickets."

And that's, that's the point. But what's different, and that's the whole idea we're getting, is those pre-event indicators, who's someone, what's your actual intent here that could become some clearer, right, when you get into what they're studying? And but, but how do we go that, you know, it goes back to the person, because you have other people in here bringing up examples of like, "Hey, you know, is that like the guy who's bullied in high school and then grows up and becomes a cop and then he bullies people because he has the power?" And like that's a narrative. I get it. They're right. Or are those, and it does happen. We write songs and then so it's a lot, but it's very rare.

So look at it this way, Brian, we got Human Behavior Pattern Recognition and Analysis. Those are the two things you always try to tell our listeners what sets us apart from everybody else in this space, is that we do both, and we do it better than anybody else in the world. So, part two, Shelley's twin brothers, Huday and Qusai (also known as Scott and Craig), are identical twins, yet they couldn't be more different. But one passion that they have is sports. So you know me, I don't know crap about sports, and I love playing sports, but I don't know factoids. I don't know all this stuff. So getting them in the room with me, they're constantly... "Remember this? I remember that." They're members of everything. So Craig is more the stats guy. "Well, last time you used him, too bad. He did this to second with this and that." And then when you look at Scott, Scott comes into it from, "Yeah, but in his last three or four times out, you know, he had that uncle that died, and when he went to Jamaica." Okay, so these two guys epitomize Human Behavior Pattern Recognition and Analysis. It's together what they do, Brian, is they predict the outcomes of the game based on historical perspective and health, and also environmental factors. "Were they on grass on the field? Is it Astroturf? And whatever, what's the barometric pressure?" Brian, this is what we do, and this is what we bring to people when they get in class, except our focus has nothing to do with sports. It's for damaged humans. You know, it's for situations, right? For an ambush or an attack.

Okay, I'm going to stick, I'm going to stick with your analogy, because I, I think that's, that's a perfect analogy for also where we're, sometimes we go wrong, right? So not go wrong, we just, we rely too much on one part where we say, "Alright, everything has to do with everything." Now, not all of it's weighted equally, but it's all connected. So, so like your, your, you know, your one brother-in-law said, "Alright, hey, I know by this many times at bat every single..." You could go down every data point, right? Because data is important, but it doesn't tell the whole story, right? To go, "This is what happens, so likely based on this, this is going to be the outcome." But then, you know, your other brother-in-law comes in and goes, "Well, you know what? But that was different because that's usually when it's sunny out, and it's raining, and the temperature dropped. And remember, he said his favorite uncle died last week, and he talked about it in a news conference." And so you're bringing in all of these different factors to go, "What's likely going to occur at this place?" And you're going, "There's no way you can do it!" But we know you can, because all of that does... you can get real close.

Dude, yeah, there's a lot of people make billions on it. But you can also have all of the right information and err, you can make a mistake. Of course, yeah, I get that. People, listen, when I was briefing at the Pentagon, I can't say who it was, but the person came up and says, "Can you give me just a very simple algorithm?" And I said, "Yes." I said, "Apple plus lawn chair equals tuba." Do you know what I'm trying to say? And I could be right every time, because that's a great thing about chaos, baby, is it... you know, we can find the order in the chaos. But it can change tomorrow. So you have to be skilled, you have to be adept at seeing it in the moment and determining which is most likely and which is most dangerous. It's that simple. And this kid reached out, and there was something in the tone and the way and the light and the color on that day and the message that they were saying that he said, "Close enough." And his brain chemistry gave him the guru, and that's the group he joined. It could have been so different a day before, a day after. It could have been so different for an intervention from a mentor or a coach, but he didn't have it at that time. You know, somebody out there is going to say, "Is there just people that are a bad seed?" Yeah, again, statistically insignificant, but it happens. You know, Dennis Rader, the BTK (Bind, Torture, Kill) killer, those types.

Right. And so this is kind of where I'm trying to articulate it the best way from what people say and ask questions and everything we've seen, right? Because it's knowing that difference between this kid Melser who contacted all these people, wanted to carry out this attack, and people—that's called a rehearsal of—yeah, and people who do carry out attacks, you know, what's, how do we tell that guy or girl or whatever, you know, from the one who's just joining the group because they don't have any friends and they're just going along? Again, okay, so do we need to one, one...? No, we don't.

Okay. The idea is what we have to do is we have to identify them. And just like a person for a cancer or a COVID victim, those people are much more likely to go on and do things. Like, people are always talking about mental health. There's no link between mental health and violence. So don't go there.

Right. There's not, conflate them.

Yeah, the turmoil and mental health could mean a lot of things. So, yeah, so what I'm trying to say is don't take these quantum leaps of logic. Let's go back to it. If you remember, if you drive in NASCAR at those speeds, and you don't engage the safety precautions, sooner or later you're going to hit the wall at the Brickyard doing 170. You get what I'm saying? And you've got a higher likelihood of dying. That's this kid. This kid is running fast and loose. So he's got a high likelihood of running out of time. Actually, it makes me laugh, you use that many NASCAR references.

Yeah, I know nothing about NASCAR, but, you know, that, you know, and so AJ Johnson, you know, you knew everything about it. And, and, you know, one day and 18 hours ago, I got into something I won't get into, but what a horrible...

So look, let's go back in time, 2013, at the Navy Yard. Okay, 2013, Aaron Alexis. Yeah.

Yeah.

We take a look at it. He worked there, he came in and showed... Everybody listening right now, shame on you, because that's all you know about it. Get Wikipedia and throw it off your desktop and start studying stuff. So let's rewind, Brian, to Aaron Alexis. So Aaron Alexis is in Anchorage, Alaska, at Joint Base Lewis-McChord (JBLM) Washington, Seattle-Tacoma (SeaTac). He's up in that area, and he gets arrested because he has such an uber-violent blackout that he shoots up the person's car that he's arguing with, blows out all the four tires on the car. He's in Texas. I thought it was Houston, but again, I do my homework. But this is spontaneous, folks, so blow me. But he's in Texas, and as he's in Texas, he gets arrested for shooting within the city limits during an argument. Okay, how bad do you have to shoot up Texas before they take you to jail? Because that's like a good evening in Houston. You know, yeah. Then he gets to Atlanta, Georgia. And think about the places that we're talking about. He gets to Atlanta, Georgia, and he gets arrested for disorderly conduct. He happens to be carrying a gun. All of this is water under the bridge because he finally gets a security clearance, and nobody, you know, noticed these things that he had with the gun. But don't look at that because Aaron Alexis, like your Melser kid, was going to find a place to land. So all of a sudden, he's got a job, and he's working at the Navy Shipyards, and his bizarre behavior increases. He calls the FBI and the local police and says, "I'm hearing voices." And he tells the local police that, "Listen, I have every reason to believe that people are following me and that they're reading my brainwaves." Okay, Brian, that's a mental illness issue, a mental health issue, that they didn't get worked on because everybody was like, "Yeah, thanks for the report, hit the road." Now, this manifests itself in a number of different ways, but maybe never was going to go to violence. But now all of a sudden, he's an outcast because people are going, "Dude, you're really weird." So instead of embracing it, trying to get him help, or telling somebody, they ostracize him, they push him outside of the group. Well, that might be that environmental trigger. So he starts staying in hotels and bouncing around the hotels because he can't stay in one too long because "they're onto him." He sells his car and now changes rental cars every four or five days, Brian. That's a 911 call. Okay, what they do with the information after that, this is important stuff. He goes and tries to buy a gun three different places. They let him shoot the AR, but he can't buy the AR because of a bunch of different factors in his history that apparently the DoD (Department of Defense) missed. So he buys a shotgun, which you can go to Walmart and buy a shotgun, baby. So he saws off the barrel, etches stuff into the side of the wood stock and onto the weapon. Brian, people saw that. People heard him talking about these things, and they did nothing. And then guess what? He decides to, you know, "bring your kid to work," but his "kid" is a Remington 870, and he shoots people like it's a contest. Okay, everybody looks at that, and that incident for them started when Aaron Alexis pulled a gun and started shooting, right? That started when Aaron Alexis was in the womb, and every spiderweb, you know, that went out that happened to him, and nobody cared. Nobody was reading the cues, Brian. When the writing's on the wall, you've got to read it. If you can't read it, get an interpreter. And that interpreter might be a phone call to the suicide hotline. We don't do our homework. We don't study our history. And when all of these things are in our face because they don't matter to my immediate survival, we turn a blind eye. That's what we've got to fix, and training fixes that.

Yeah, and you're, you the point of it, it doesn't matter to my immediate survival is important, right? Because we don't, we pick and choose what we think affects us, regardless of how it actually affects us, right? Yes. So there's, there's, there's real threats versus perceived threats. There's, there's, you know, "Hey, this is really an emotional thing," versus a perceived really emotional thing. And there's a lot that influences the way we feel about that stuff, right? So you can break down some of this stuff in a very systematic, clinical approach to it, or some people can sensationalize it, and then now it takes on a whole new meaning. And I think that's important for what I'm getting at, meaning is that it's hard for us to see this stuff sometimes because, like you just said, "Well, it's not, it doesn't seem immediate or emergent to my brain right now." And then you, so, so I don't place any value on whatever I'm seeing, but these changes in behavior in an individual. So then when it comes time and, or something actually takes place, you know, that's why you always get the, "Oh, you know, actually, now that you mention it, he did this, this, this, and this." I mean, once that investigation occurs, you know, first everyone's Jeffrey Dahmer. "Yeah, oh, I had no idea he was such a nice guy, he was a great neighbor!" And then the investigation occurs, and even those people, "You know what, come to mention it, oh yeah, that's right, he did, you know, I thought it was a little odd." But we don't ever take those things that seem a little odd and, and do anything with it. Sometimes we just explain it away, or denial. And whenever we do that, right? That's, now we, now have a new baseline, and now, "Oh, it's just this." So, so now when it, it becomes so extreme, is it? Yeah, we don't even see it when it's so obvious where someone on the outside we go, "What the F is that you're doing?" And you're going, "Oh, that's what he always does." And, and someone has to sit there and go, "No, that's not okay." Because we assimilate, and we can...

So we look at John Wayne Gacy, and we're fascinated by that because it's this one person, a very, very, very small segment of society that does that kind of stuff, and it fascinates us. We'll eat the popcorn no matter how many times they put a special on John Gacy, we'll tune in. But 20 flipping veterans killed themselves overnight, and guess what? It doesn't make a good TV show. So the things that inhibit us from acting on things, Brian, lack of immediate impact in my survival, yeah, a challenge to my ego, my egotistical, you know, view of myself and what I'm capable of and what I'm malleable of. And some things are scary. Nighttime is scary, dark is scary, and I don't want to see it. So everybody says, "We've got to do something about the suicide." And there are tangible factors that can be read from the outside if people are trained to say, "This person is much more likely to commit suicide." So everything has a structure, Brian, and access is the key. If you have access, like for example, just in suicide, you're likely to hurt yourself, that's access, right? But if you have access to a weapon, that number goes up. And it doesn't matter the weapon, the tool, the implement. Brian, it could be pills or alcohol. Do you hear what I'm trying to say? So each time that I add something to that cup where access was involved, and I don't have an outlet, a safe outlet for that, something's going to happen. What was this kid's safe outlet, Brian? He's reaching out on the internet to Al-Qaeda! How do you do that? Do you go, "Al-Qaeda, Joe Qaeda, Bill Qaeda, hey, here he is"? How do you, how the hell would you find it? And you know, my vast knowledge of the internet and social media, I wouldn't be able to find out that. That meant that somebody else watched, somebody knew, somebody told the kid. All the signs are on the table. We don't read the tea leaves very well. We have to be trained and shown how to do that.

Right. In this specific case with this, with this kid in the Army, obviously he was arrested prior to everything. So they picked up on it. I said I didn't, I didn't get a chance to deep dive the news stories and the investigations of what was the initial call to an investigator to come and take a look. So I don't know what it is, but it was obviously so powerful and enough that everyone could see it. And the problem with it is, those obvious ones, yeah, they're easy to spot, and people can tell. And anyone can go, "But, but they're not always that obvious, usually." Right?

Yeah, most of these folks that they carry out... I mean, even with school shooters and different, TJ Lane keeps coming to mind. But the perfect example, it's always there, but it gets a little bit harder to tell sometimes.

Don't exist.

So, right. And I guess I think people are confused thinking that it's art. Yes, let me give you an example. If a white guy comes up to you, a white guy comes up to you, Brian, and says, "Hey, I want to buy a bag of dope." Okay, and let's talk cocaine, because marijuana is legal everywhere, including within our company. But the idea is that, let's say we're talking about cocaine, heroin, or something, "I want a bindle there." Okay, you sell the guy a bindle. And he comes back an hour later, he goes, "I need a bindle of heroin." Then he comes back and says, "I need an eight-ball." Then four hours later, he comes back and needs an ounce. You're dealing with a DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration) agent, get out now. Okay, it doesn't, because but your brain chemistry, Brian, is like, "Hold on, do you understand what's going on?" Or, "I'm sitting here and go, this guy's a cop, he's in there." By all they told me, "People are buying from me, or I'm buying from them." And they look and they go, "Damn, you look like a cop." And I go, "Yep, Jack Lord, Hawaii Five-O, baby!" You know, yeah. Here we are under us and we'd laugh and laugh and here goes more and more drugs. So even though you know smoking is bad for you, it can cause cancer and kill you, you're going to do it. And sandy rental, renting a car and driving through Aspen on icy roads, even though you've never done it. Why? Because the pleasure center of our brain makes us stupid sometimes. So we see things happening and we just don't have time in our day to slow our roll and take a look and go, "I think Brian's having a bad day. I think that PTSD (Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder) is getting to him." If we would open our eyes, Brian, and we would give ourselves the gift of time and distance, we'd notice so much more in our environment. And those environments are what are screaming to us that something's wrong with Jimmy. So right now, somebody's going to go, "He knows Jimmy." Now get me Suzy, whatever that broken snowflake in your world.

No, and another thing, then this gets into, I don't want to change it completely about, but it kind of gets into boundaries, right? What people, oh yeah, absolutely, learn and test and then push their boundaries. And we're doing that as a society right now, we're definitely testing our boundaries and a lot of people are pushing, too. So first we learn, then we test, then we push.

And that's unnatural growth, Brian. Someone right now on Facebook is wondering why their teenage son or daughter is a complete ass. They have to be an ass, because you need to push them out of the nest so they can go build their little community. It's like Civilization Builder and Empire Earth, do you hear what I'm saying? Clubs are needed. You've got to push that guy out there to build something, because if he doesn't build, there's not going to be any growth. If they don't go away from the home, they're not going to breed. So these are things, these are pre-conditioned into us as humans, Brian. And guess what? If a toaster can go wrong, okay, and the toaster's got, what, nine parts? What do you think is going on with some humans? One, it's very rare. So therefore, when you do see it, you've got to take action. You said TJ Lane. TJ Lane told every one of those kids, "One day I'm going to come to school with a gun and I'm going to shoot you." And guess what, Brian? He did it. So it was so violent that they put him in a special section of class, but they violated their own protocol because they only had one bus to take him to that school. So everybody ate cafeteria in the same place. And not one of those folks, not one of those parents, school administrators, anybody else said, "Hey, let's search his kid's bag once in a while," or, "Hey, it might be dangerous, let's let him have breakfast at home." Brian, they forced a situation, then they were surprised at the outcome. And Einstein said something about that, didn't he? When you repeat the same behavior over and over, you expect a different outcome. Come on.

Well, and so can I collect myself for a second here because my PTSD hit you this morning, too. Well, the idea is, with the box, Brian, I know you wanted... it's, you know, this goes back into, you know, people get wrapped around, "Well, what do I look for? What am I supposed to do or what am I supposed to say?" And again, this goes into, say, no, it's not what to look for, it's, it's how to look, right, at things in your environment, which, which takes a lot. I know it's, you always say, "Oh, get the training." That, that, that's, which of course that's a, that's a, "If you see something, say something." Right? It's another platitude, but it's, it's not in the sense that we do Human Behavior Pattern Recognition and Analysis. Everyone, most people can, can do some bit of human behavior pattern recognition, right? We all got that, "Oh yeah, I saw that there." Yeah, yeah. It's just if you don't have that framework for that for that analysis and that sometimes. So what's a low-calorie way? Because you brought up a bunch of examples: one, you know, your kid being an ass when they're a teenager, the coworker all of a sudden changing behavior. I've got a family friend that all of a sudden is, is possibly suicidal. I have, I think this coach is being a little too close with the kids or something. Do you get what I'm saying? So, so not to break up, so don't take it personal. "Okay, I'm a coach. What you're telling us," yeah, you know what? This is this...

Okay, that is, by the way, that's what you gave me a Valentine a long time ago. Like a pod. That's my external drive. Okay, this and this are the projects I'm working on, the stone heads. No, this is within arm's reach, and I've got a red pen and I've got a black pen. And Brian, I epitomize absolutely everything. I put things in writing, I make myself notes, I go, "Why is this this way?" And then I seek it out and I search it out. You've traveled with me exclusively for at least ten years, and you know how many times in a day do I stop whatever we're doing, go over and start talking to somebody and ask some questions? Yeah. Okay, so do I also take photos with the shoe phone? But that everywhere that this is, this is a lot of calories. Yeah, you get it. But it's not a lot of calories. Anybody that's watching, all you've got to do is pay a little special attention to those things closest around you first. For example, okay, we don't take time to walk into the City Market to drive around the parking lot before we choose a place to park. We don't take time when we walk in to go, "Hey, is that cordite and sulfur that I smell when I'm going in at 7-Eleven?" We've conditioned ourselves that everything is fine and almost nothing is going to kill us, which is the truth. But every year people get hit by lightning. Every year people get bit by sharks. And every year some teenager drinks himself to death when he's trying to get pledged to a frat or something. Yeah, what we have to do is we have to say these things are important enough in my environment to compare them against the baseline. The danger is always going to be incongruent signals, and the danger is always going to be above and below the baseline. The only time the danger can be baseline related is as a BOLO (be on the lookout) for a specific item, and that's rare, Brian. So instead of coming up with this a laminated list of eleven flipping things to do, I would tell you that all incongruent behavior in your environment has to be investigated. If one tire is lower than the other, your car's not going to perform its weight. And if a warning light is on your dashboard, you've got to do it, or you're going to run out of gas or have an engine failure before you get to work.

Even so, even with that, all of those are any anomalous behavior can be explained, meaning it can be... there has to be a reason why that nail is sticking up, right? So, so, I agree, it can be explained, or there has to be a reason for it. Things just don't happen, you know, for no reason, right? These, these my piles of notes didn't, you know, get this big because I was staying on top of it. Look at all those yellow pads in the back row. It's because I fell behind and I have to type up my stuff and do it. And what happens after that? Well, then the next thing, then I end up leaving my drink up here, which I never do at the end of the day. And then I do that. Why? Because it's that, well, that, I mean, that that entropy takes over, but, but one thing leads to another. So you would, if you walked in here right now, you go, "Man, this guy's kind of a mess." But, but you wouldn't have a week ago when it was, when I had gone through everything, was cleaned, it was organized. And so, so they want half a mil.

And because of the catalyst, Brian, and that's what we have to identify, that catalyst. That pre-event indication by itself is meaningless. But when it starts forming a constellation and more of them start fixing themselves to them naturally, not forced, not forced—okay, that's putting a round peg into a square hole—then we have to stand back and go, "I can explain this away, but I don't want to be the victim of denial." So instead of doing that, I'm going to take a knee, and not the Kaepernick knee. I'm going to take a knee. I'm going to take a look at the situation, and I'm going to do a gosh darn explanatory storyline. This is most likely benign, and it's probably just due to Brian coming off the wagon again, drinking too much. It was his birthday a month ago, he's still celebrating. Okay, but what if it's not? And what if this is that catalyst that Greg was talking about on that podcast? Brian, you see how simple that is? If it's above or below the baseline, or exactly the thing you're looking for, take 30 seconds and go, "Jim, what's going on today?" Or, "Jane, why are you having this problem?" "Hey, Hank, I noticed that you got a rental car. Everything okay at home?" Do you see what I'm trying to say, Brian? It's literally that simple. Because what am I doing every time I propose that question, every time I call somebody in my office, every time I ask my kid why they're cutting? Okay, that's throwing a rock in a pond to see where the ripples go. Most of the time, the ripple goes out, hits a lily pad, the frog jumps, the bird flies, everybody goes, "Pretty bird." The problem is, we've got to wind that tape back, Brian, and take another look through there. I've got to see what was that.

Yeah, we, we all know who that bastard, we all know who that was. I think I tell you their video one time where he was throwing a rock at. But, but again, you hit it right there. And that's what we get to a lot when we talk about this in class. People and just understanding when we have these conversations about human behavior in general, is there's always a catalyst. There's reason for change. And that can go in whatever that's from the person, environmental trigger. I'm saying it's, it's the person who's been overweight their whole life and then goes, "You know what? I've got to do something about it and lose all I can." But that doesn't say they're put there. There's a catalyst. There's a reason, you know, you don't just wake up and just decide to completely, you know, "I'm going to buy all new clothes today and get a different job and do that." That doesn't happen. So even the person losing weight, you go up to that person and instead of going, "What's on your mind or what's on your heart?" You go, "Hey, looks like you've been losing weight." Okay, now, now there's a fork in the road, Brian, because losing weight because there's problems at home or losing weight because you want to improve your, you know, self-view. Do you get what I'm saying? You just want to be, are you training for something?

Yeah, so I think that's the whole, that's the whole point we asked. And somebody's going to tell you right now, HR departments, you know, "No, no, no, you can't ask that, dude, can't ask that." Expect your business to get shot up because that's the way we are, humans. Listen, everybody that's built a bomb talked about building that bomb. That's how they got caught. Everybody, this kid, before he did the event, he not only was talking about it, he was telling his friends about it. Listen, we need to get that out. It's like that steam kettle, Brian, on that oven when it's heating up. We've got the that's at the top. But if we take the whistle off, we're never going to know until it boils over and we come in and it's all dented and emaciated. So you have a responsibility to take care of yourself, which includes the community of people that you run with in that environment that you run with. So that's why you should ask more questions. That's why you should be probative. That's why you should drive around the building before you walk in in the morning. You are responsible for your own well-being.

No, and that falls into, you know, how, one, we, we tend to, or a lot of people tend to focus on the different reasons of why people fall into these groups and do this. And there's, you know, you can go back through how they were raised and the biological reasons, and that's, I'm not... that's all good book it. Well, what it should do is help inform how we deal with this much earlier in life with people. If we have all these identifications of, "Oh, this is how it occurred." What are we doing with that information? That's a problem. So whatever, it uses that information, right? We don't talk about it, sell a book, and go on the flipping news and talk about it. It doesn't tell you what to look for or how to prevent the next attack. None of those books do. And they're not using it to inform maybe some policy or, you know, some societal reason. If we say, "This is the issue we need to address." At baby's weight, more are alive under these three conditions that they're in the highest category. So why don't we put our extra resources as a society to them when they're very young? But we don't do that because we go, "Wow, everyone's the same, and we don't want to judge." And which is not true. That's true. We all judge, and we're all different.

So let's roll it forward and give you an example of that same kid, Brian. So, I know you're an expert witness on Jeffrey Dahmer. So let's go to Dahmer. And I'm going to give you two choices, Brian, and I would ask everybody at home to play along here. So choice number one is that when the victim of Jeffrey Dahmer runs out naked wearing one handcuff into the snow on the street, and runs smack dab into a couple of cops, and he doesn't speak English, and he's bleeding from the rectum, and begging them for help. And Dahmer comes out just seconds later. And Dahmer, because he's a predator, and he's in predator mode, and he's got the rap. He's got a confidence, high level of con, yeah, and a low level of sophistication, right? So he's a perfect storm of a bad guy. Is it more likely to believe that he was so convincing to those cops who even came up to the room, or do you believe that those cops hadn't been trained and therefore were like, "Ah, those drunk kids, they're going to go back up and in..."

Buggery, you know, the idea, Brian, I don't know. I hate inflection on that because it was interesting to me to 'Rama exile and Becky,' as Martin would say.

Yeah, so I was thinking Norm Macdonald for some reason when he was in jail in that scene of Dirty Work, which was dirty, by the way. But no, go back there. So you either want to believe that Dahmer was so manipulative in his environment and his victims that he talked those cops out of it, who even came up to this room and looked around his room, and there was another victim through he's dismembered, lying or dead. They were following a procedure. They were going, "Here we go again. It's a busy Saturday night. These guys are up to no good." But you know what? And the greatest, can you think, Brian? I will tell you that those clues are apparent to everybody. And we choose, because our brain chemistry isn't tuned into them, we choose to look away and let it go. Training will change that. That's all I'm saying. I'm a huge proponent of try and give. If you go to us, we're doing this for free. How much impact are we making in your life? Get somebody else on the call. But the idea is that imagine what you learn in class because we do part-tasks and training and practical application to make sure that you see this in your environment. And you're going to say, "Brian, why isn't everybody doing it?" Because everybody loves booting doors and ramming cars and shooting, you know, weapon systems. Nobody wants an investment in brain training.

I think that's hopefully changing. But I think you saw some takeaways. I think for anyone listening or watching us now live. Sorry for the buggery, or maybe not. That's not, that's a bracelet, not to take away. I have no problem with... I have no pain on the website, folks.

Oh, no.

The idea is a couple things, right? We all talk about it. There are pre-event indicators all the time, right? So we don't always see them for a number of reasons. But let's stick to the insider threat and lack of identity. There are people that are looking for a place to land. Yes, you can identify that. You can add my dad or your kid, yes. But you can see that when you're looking for somewhere to belong. So when that person is identified, let's get them to the right group to belong to, right? If you belong to. So that's one way to look at it. Another thing is again, because we're talking about a broad topic, and we only have an hour or so to do it, it's generalizations, right? So there's always a catalyst for someone to change their behavior. There has to be something, some reason for you to all of a sudden change the way you're doing things. Now, I'm not saying whether that's good or bad. It could be either one. It could be something really great. It could be something horrible. You could be going to do something that's benefiting you and the community, everyone, or that could be something that's going to be detrimental to you and the neighborhood, whatever it is. But either way, there's always a reason for that change. So if I can identify what that reason was by a little bit of investigation or talking or asking to someone, that's going to give me the insight into what their intent is and what their reason for that behavioral change is.

Spot on. And Brian, you want a local intervention, and I've said it a thousand times before to 10,000 of our clients, Brian, look them in the eye and go, "What's on your mind?" If it's an emotional event, say, "Dude, what's on your heart?" or "Ma'am, what's on your heart?" Let them explode verbally on you right then rather than explode by yelling something and pulling the ripcord in a crowded marketplace. Come on. Yeah.

Okay, I think, Allen, do you want to add anything else here? Bridget's birthday.

I think we've insulted every hate group. I think that's plenty. Well, they dish it, this just might escalate quickly. That was a lot of hate groups that we... A lot of hate might not know who it's towards hate groups, and apparently that's okay. Colfax Motor Lodge. If that's a real place, they show up there, though. And he gets an email from the parking lot. You show up, we'll be there.

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